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Started by vsorensen at 11-17-2007 2:34 PM. Topic has 7 replies.
  
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 11-17-2007, 2:34 PM
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vsorensen
Joined on 11-18-2007
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AppGen is what makes Clarion different
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Have there been any announcements on a timeline for the application generator for Clarion.NET?
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11-18-2007, 3:40 AM
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MikeHanson
 
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Re: AppGen is what makes Clarion different
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11-18-2007, 5:19 AM
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Hal Heindel
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Re: AppGen is what makes Clarion different
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You're right, vsorensen, the AppGen clearly is what sets Clarion apart for the majority of users. But then, even with the AppGen still in the pipeline, can any professional Clarion developer afford to pass up the deals SV is offering at the moment?
Last night, I installed the Enterprise Edition of Clarion.NET ($1,600 after a discount of $1,440). Less than an hour later I had "Hello World" up and running in .NET without a hitch. No AppGen yet, but you do get Quick Start, along with a fairly comprehensive help system and the "Clarion# by Example" training course. Worth every penny, if only to get your feet wet. Keep in mind that you need the Enterprise Edition to do web apps. And if it's the AppGen that separates Clarion from other platforms, then the ease with which you can finally produce web and mobile apps is what separates Clarion.NET from Clarion 6 and 7.
At the risk of sounding like I'm on SV's payroll (which I'm not), the door for these special offers closes on November 24 . . . less than a week away!
Hal Heindel
www.printfire.com
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11-18-2007, 8:46 AM
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vsorensen
Joined on 11-18-2007
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Re: AppGen is what makes Clarion different
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I spent yesterday afternoon going through the package and made a couple of conclusions:
1) The first three lessons on "Learn Clarion" are so basic as to be a waste of time, and yet I still had trouble figuring out why sometimes the editor would open to the "source" tab and sometimes the "design" tab - could be a bug, of course.
2) The product is not yet in a state where I can sell my use of it as a way of cutting development time, and past history indicates that it is a long time between first release and final, so I regret having bought into to so early, especially when I need money for other things in the near future.
It took me some time to find any indication in the publicity that AppGen for .NET was coming at all, which provoked this question. I'm sure in the end the product will be of some use to me, but I am simply wondering how long will it be until it is in that state.
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11-18-2007, 3:30 PM
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Hal Heindel
Joined on 10-22-2005
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Re: AppGen is what makes Clarion different
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Based on past history and nearly twenty years of experience with Clarion products, I expect to see Clarion.NET going Gold within a year. SV won't tell you that, and for good reason. As developers, we all know how dumb it is to give our users a timetable that far in advance.
I do think your buyer's remorse is a bit premature, though. Before I started to develop full time, I owned a printing company. Back then, if I knew I needed an $80,000 press next year, and also knew the price of that press would skyrocket to $120,000 within the next twelve months, I would have run, not walked, to the nearest bank and borrowed the money to buy that press now - even if it gave me zero ROI until I had the room to put it on line.
That's really the issue here. If you're not sure you'll be developing in Clarion a year from now, then yes, your decision to buy now may prove costly in the end. But if you know you'll be working with Clarion.NET in 2008, the introductory savings alone will far outstrip your interest payments.
In the meantime, you have the means at your disposal to leap-frog your competitors. Not by cutting your development time today, but by building the knowledge and experience to be instantly productive, out of the chute, in the foreseeable future.
SV appears to be devoting the bulk of their resources to Clarion# and .NET. Maybe it will be a short year!
Hal Heindel
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11-19-2007, 1:12 PM
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vsorensen
Joined on 11-18-2007
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Re: AppGen is what makes Clarion different
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Thanks, but my situation is not akin to that.
My nearly 20 years of Clarion experience indicates that predications are usually wrong, and in general I've always been a little too optimistic about release dates.
Since I don't have a lot of room for error at this point, I am going to have to be a bit more pessimistic than usual until I hear something concrete from someone in the know (eg. an SV representative). And even then...
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11-23-2007, 8:43 AM
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vsorensen
Joined on 11-18-2007
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Re: AppGen is what makes Clarion different
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We're getting sidetracked here - we all love Clarion, but the question is if there is a timeline for the application generator.
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11-26-2007, 12:29 PM
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Russ
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I'm sure there is. And when it gets to the point of being stable so some useful work can be done with it, I don't think we will see it before then.
SV is correctly basing releases on ability and features that work and not the calendar. It would be nice to get a status report on occaision <g>
Russ Eggen
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